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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 5, 2011 3:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

So I recently started a new gig running another sportfishing boat. It's pretty cool because the Bertram I ran for the past three seasons did not have satellite radio, and now I have a kick-ass sound system to enjoy while doing boat/tackle work. But the programing content on the Grateful Dead channel seems to be very different from a few years ago when I really enjoyed it while running the Done Deal down in Florida and the other boat owners or captains at the marina would constantly ask me to "turn it down!"

Much more studio music and stuff from the 80's and 90's now. Last week I had to listen to the second set from 11/2/84 while doing some brite work and I have heard a few songs that I had never heard before like "Easy Answers" and "Way To Go"

Anybody here listening on Serius? Whats up with the newer programing?

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Poster: Hashjihad Date: Jul 5, 2011 7:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

I am 22 and been listening to the Dead lots since I was 16. Been to fifty plus related off shoot concerts and what not. I will say of course everyone likes the older stuff, I mean that is a given. But there is a bunch of stuff that is so good in the later years. Peggy-O comes to mind when thinking about amazing songs not present in their earlier years. Lazy Lightning/Supplication is another great I believe at the earliest was played in 75. Terrapin Station is dope, along with Sampson and Delilah, both excellent later songs. 9.09.90, I believe has a Let The Good Times Roll, that I always thought was amazing. A couple nineties knocking on heavens door were incredible. View From the Vault four is excellent, it is a 88 show, with the best Bertha I have listened to, along with an Excellent Dear Mr. Fantasy. Dicks Picks 21 is an excellent show, 81? I believe, or 83 maybe? But anyway first set is killer! Second Set, eh not so great, but cool Sugar Mag, Sampson, Spoonful are nice. I like the earlier periods because of TWO REASONS:
1. The Song Selection. It pinches a nerve that Here Comes The Sunshine became a rarity. Just an example, but the Best Dead Related Show I have ever seen was Ratdog at the Lebanon Opera House in opened with HCTS and it was awesome, played bunch of acoustic in Second Set. Phil seems to enjoy the earlier stuff as well, currently anyway that may change.

2. Set Combinations, and Set Length. Pretty Self Explanatory.

My whole opinion of later Dead shows boils down to the first to lines of Brown Eyed Women.

"Gone are the days when the Ox falls down, take up the yoke and plow the fields around."

Just didn't seem like they were working that hard. But once and while the magic comes back.

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Poster: dirtybuck Date: Jun 5, 2011 6:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

Got 3 free months going right now w/ a new Kia (truck died).
Love the Dead channel. It gives me a chance to listen to other era's that I rarely pick on my own. I'm a black sheep deadhead obsessed w/ 83' and 84'. The Dead channel plays a huge amount of early/mid/late 70's. A lot of 60's as well. Hardly any 83-84 (but that's alright). I cut my teeth on the old stuff so it's nice to go back again. I also am in the minority of those who really love the studio stuff. It's great to be surprised w/ different tunes instead of bringing the C.D.s w/ me. They play a good amount of post Brent stuff too, That's when I channel surf, but it is interesting/sad to check out now and then.
Cliff, give it time, you will LOVE this station. Funny that you stumbled right into 1984. The "this day in Dead history" every afternoon is cool as well.
Can't really even afford car payments, but i'm already trying to figure a way to buy the subscription when the trial's over.
Good Stuff !

This post was modified by dirtybuck on 2011-06-06 01:52:42

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jun 6, 2011 11:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

Cliff -

I will never own a vehicle without satellite radio unless it's a horse or a bicycle. I have two channels dialed in - the Grateful Dead and Bluegrass Junction.

Can't much speak to content on the Dead channel round the clock - I have a 30 minute commute and when I am listening I seem to catch a good mix with early material and the bubble gummy 80s and beyond. One cool thing they do in the morning is a "Cover the Dead" segment where they play a half dozen songs done by other artists. Sound Tribe Sector 9 did "Shakedown" this morning that was pretty damn good. Anything Jesse McReynolds does is outstanding. Anytime Jimmy Buffet's cover of Scarlet comes on I am usually off channel within 11 nanoseconds.

Spending about 40% of the drive time on the GD channel, the rest is up on the Bluegrass Channel. 2011 is the 100th anniversary of Bill Monroe's birth and he is getting a lot of play time - which is never bad. They play a lot of Old And In The Way on Bluegrass Junction as well as the occasional Grisman-Garcia collaboration.

I wonder what the Dead could have done with Muleskinner Blues? Who would have done the yodelling?

Besides Jer trying to remember the words I mean.....

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 6, 2011 3:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

Guess youve never heard Kingfish play Muleskinner Blues, Mando?

Weir handles the yodeling just fine, and Robbie Hoddinot is more than competent on lead guitar...

http://tela.sugarmegs.org/_asxtela/kingfish1974-11-29.asx

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Poster: TragicMagic Date: Jun 5, 2011 4:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

I totally agree with you on this - I have found the programming on the GD Channel to be consistently slipping over the last few years. When I first got it they played a lot of interesting one offs from shows or key song transitions of say really good Dark Stars meandering in and out of other songs - i heard lots of great late 60s and early 70s live stuff as well as whole shows and everything in between. Now, it seems like half of the stuff they play is studio stuff and at the same time repeating a lot of live songs with the same versions. The only thing I can think of to explain this is that GD Productions has insisted they do this so they can make the music more accessible to non-heads thus they can sell more studio and official live releases. I have all but stopped listening to the Surius GD Channel as my collection of shows far surpasses anything they play on that. It's very sad to me that we had a great channel for a bit but now, like everything else, it has to be changed to facilitate commercial sales. This is my assessment and it may be wrong but it's no longer interesting to listen.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Jun 6, 2011 9:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

"The only thing I can think of to explain this is that GD Productions has insisted they do this so they can make the music more accessible to non-heads thus they can sell more studio and official live release."

I'm thinking that the majority of people who still listen to the goGD saw their shows post-90. How many people would they play to during a late-era tour compared to when they travelled the country playing hockey rinks and Catholic school gymnasiums? And, seriously, how many different, people saw them before 1969? And, of those old Heads, how many still listen? Yeah, you got the fanatics but they're here and they could PROGRAM Sirius with their own libraries.

If there even is a movement on Sirius to newer vintages, I think it is a result of younger Heads asking for newer stuff. If you are a 21 year old Head, there is a good chance that YOUR parents were not even born when some of the Primal Dead was first released. It's second generation for them.

Young heads have no problem with newer stuff; they have no desire to give the GD Library a Cliff-ectomy.

Then again, maybe it is a conspiracy to sell more music.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd68-10-12.sbd.eD.10909.sbeok.shnf

Enjoy,
TOOTMO

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Jun 6, 2011 10:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

um, i respectfully disagree. i'm 26 and i can hardly stand to listen to almost anything after 1985... and i'll take that Cliff-ectomy :)

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Jun 6, 2011 12:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

You, sir, methinks, be's an outlier.

I'll bet 95% of the VW-heads wouldn't even know where your name comes from (of course, I may be mistaken (I'm relatively young, ya know)).

TOOTMO

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jun 6, 2011 2:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

Actually, I suspect that most younger people discovering the Dead would like the early years more, if they heard them... The '80s/90s tend to sound pretty offputting to these ears!
Don't know if there's enough young'uns around here to poll.

I'll grant that the 'later years' do have a more dense sound; they sound more like a 'big band' with more electronics, so that could tickle some folks. The playing can be very allusive, full of ideas even if the execution is fumbled or the tones are ugly - actually, even the grating sound could be part of the appeal these days. The early era sounds too simple & undeveloped for many listeners; and it's hard to say how many country covers or Pigpen r&b covers would appeal to the younger crowd.

And yet, I still believe the late era is popular mainly because so many people went to those shows; so when the memories decline, so will its popularity.
Of course, I'm biased! Maybe among future deadheads the late era will become acclaimed for its finesse & sophistication, and the '90s will become 'the golden years'!

But as far as new listeners discovering the Dead, it's ironic that generally you have to hear quite a bit of Dead to discover what you really like. I'm sure many a soul has been put off by whatever crap they first heard; I never would've dreamed I'd like the Dead if I hadn't stumbled across some 1968.

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Poster: brotherbuttcrack Date: Jul 5, 2011 6:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

I'm 20. I've been listening to the Grateful Dead (hard) for I guess the past maybe 3 years?

Time aside, I can't get enough of the pigpen years. I have to yet to stomach a full serving of Brent era Dead.

When I first got into them, it was primal all the way. I head Live/Dead and i was hooked. I slowly got into the 73-74 era. and after that I (even more slowly) eventually got into 75-77)..But it all took time.

So, who's to say? Maybe I'll one day see the beauty in the 80s and beyond. But until then I can't stand it, and what it stands for.
It just sounds so dry, lifeless, and simply not engaging. Aside from the sound of Brent's voice and cheesy keys, I definitely reserve a bit of prejudice for that era as well.

One thing that always resonates within me is hearing Jerry say (on some interview regarding the Dead's later years) something like "we were addicted to affluence". And I always took that as "we were only doing it for the money"

So yea. I love 66-spring of 77. (Passenger and Miracle killed it for me). I just go through random phases of loving one particular era/sub-era.

So, here you are, Sir: One young Dead-lover's opinion.

Happy Trails.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Jul 5, 2011 7:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

welcome brother.

It's a long trail with lots of twists and turns... for your steps alone.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Jun 6, 2011 4:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

my discovery of the music was basically word of mouth and the internet of course. initially i gravitated towards the 1977 Dead because of the "polished" sound. but as i discovered more and more (especially from the early era) similarly, i'd say that's when i really began to fall in love with the music.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jun 6, 2011 2:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

well Im a young head who loves, essentially, all dead. My ma and pa never got into the dead but are certainly old enough to have seen a few hundred shows.

I think of things through evolution, so for some peeps they listen to the 80s because thats what was given to them in the beginning. I worked my way through napster and found shit here and there and eventually to nugs.net, and then archive. Im not sure what it is but personally, the late 60s dead is ferocious awesome stuff. But like i said a few days ago, i was jammin hard to some 94 (and it was good stuff!). So i think its partly who brought you into the dead and what they listened to. I really didnt have any old heads around to tell me about the good ol days. I found it through searching and i like what i like because of what ive found.

Another thing to be said, late 60s dead is so different from what the dead did 72 and beyond that i can see why many arent fond of it. Or vice versa like with Cliff.

I also hold no biases when it comes to the scene, how things were and how they changed. Many old heads seem to be bitter about the way things evolved and they have their opinions because of it. I just listen to the music so i think i can dig the late stuff more where as for some, it just brings back bad memories?

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jun 6, 2011 4:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

True, there are many factors. Without a 'personal connection' to going to shows, people can easily get into shows from any years - I like what I like, but others enjoy all the years equally, or prefer '84 or '94 or whatnot, and there will always be fans with differing tastes!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 6, 2011 4:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

Well, for me, having gone from 74-82, I would say that by 82 I didn't really care for the sound, and don't ever listen to any 80s or 90s not so much for "bad memories", but just not caring for the transformation with the band, the scene, everything. When I was going in the 70s I defn enjoyed myself, but as I often have expressed it, it wasn't the absolute perfection to suit my expectations (totally ON me of course) as it didn't sound like what I wanted it to sound like (69, 70 & 71 style). I could see things had changed, and yet I never would've said "hey, the DEAD suck now, just like Airplane became Starship, and suck" (the latter was what I said after seeing them a few times in the mid to late 70s).

As I've said many times, it wasn't til I arrived here, ~ 5 yrs ago, bought all the releases of early era stuff, etc, etc., that I became a complete fanatic about the early era. Though I can listen to a Peggy-O or Crazy Fingers from a show I attended and have fond memories, I just find that there are 100s of other shows I'd prefer to listen to from prior yrs.

Last, like CLIFF, I do love to debate the "objective" (grin) aspects of the evolution, and whether this or that era, taste aside, can be somehow defined as lacking in some sense relative to another. I know I am in a minority in this regard, but I do believe there are tangible, measurable means by which someone can say "yeah, this is worse, this is better" once we agree on a few starting points (assumptions). I also understand that people will still like what they like, sometimes for reasons that aren't amenable to my anal retentive analytical approach.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jun 6, 2011 5:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

Awesome that you feel that way. About the objectivity that is. I feel there is a lot to it and i wish i knew the starting grounds on which such a discussion could be held. I just dont know how you go about analyzing critically what the differences are and what makes what better. There is most certainly objectivity in all of this.

I guess i feel ya on no liking where the dead were going, but how in gods name did ya fall off the bus in 82?!?! I never saw the boys so any year missed by a fan is like what is wrong with you!!!! lmao.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Jun 6, 2011 4:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

hahaha

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Poster: chook-face Date: Jun 5, 2011 4:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

I agree and disagree. I've listened here and there through the years and from my infrequent listening its always been the same. A few shows here and there, some good, some not so much. The thing that gets me is the amount of studio dead that they play along with music from other bands. Studio dead speaks for itself, its not why we're obsessive. I dont mind other bands, but id prefer the dead channel to play at least 90-95% dead.

The interviews and things like that are great. But my collection is much more awesome, IMO. What they need to do is give random heads a chance to run the show. Or at least hand pick an hour of tunes to be played by david and the like. I think thatd be great

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jun 5, 2011 5:28pm
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"What they need to do is give random heads a chance to run the show. Or at least hand pick an hour of tunes to be played "

they already do that. It is called "Head Set". Not sure how you get to do one, but you can call in and I'm sure they will fill you in on the details.

I'd kinds like to hear a "Cliff Hucker Head Set".

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 5, 2011 11:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

Sounds like those other boat captains commandeered Sirius.

Seriously, that's disappointing. But what strikes me, Cliff, is that even though you dislike Brent-and-beyond GD, you haven't changed the channel :-) Is it the triumph of hope over experience? Or do you just find you prefer Brent-and-beyond GD to the other music options out there?

Well, maybe you'll find a few later-era selections that you like on Sirius. Though from the descriptions of the progamming "savvy" there right now, I'm not holding my breath.

Have fun on the water!

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 6, 2011 4:47am
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"...even though you dislike Brent-and-beyond GD, you haven't changed the channel :-) Is it the triumph of hope over experience? Or do you just find you prefer Brent-and-beyond GD to the other music options out there?"

More likely it's not wanting to take the time to change the channel while busy working, and hoping that a killer Viola's would come on next...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 6, 2011 6:42am
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Ah. The triumph of hope and busy-ness over experience. I hope you get that killer Viola!

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Jun 5, 2011 9:46pm
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i hadn't listened for about 3 years when we Dish Network at my old house. i heard about 2 hrs. of it the other day and i was disappointed for the most part. no song segues or extended jams, lots of studio cuts. granted my experience was very limited, but i'm not surprised by this at all...seems like they're selling out.

edit - just as i got out of the car they started playing the 5/8/77 Scarlet>Fire. not exactly a deep cut. i don't know if you've even heard the Dead if you haven't heard that ;-)

This post was modified by clementinescaboose on 2011-06-06 04:46:10